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[Submitted on 8 Sep 2026] Title:When Does Advection-Aware Graph Nowcasting Help? A Controlled Study of Distributed Solar Ramp Forecasting with a Self-Supervised Cloud-Motion Estimator View a PDF of the paper titled When Does Advection-Aware Graph Nowcasting Help? A Controlled Study of Distributed Solar Ramp Forecasting with a Self-Supervised Cloud-Motion Estimator, by Phillip Jiang View PDF HTML (experimental) Abstract:Short-term forecasting of cloud-induced power ramps across a network of distributed photovoltaic (PV) or irradiance sensors is a recognised pain point for grid operators. A natural idea is to make the graph neural network (GNN) advection-aware: connect each site to the sites upwind of it, with edge time-lags set by the cloud-motion vector (CMV), so that a ramp is propagated forward before it physically arrives. Using a controlled synthetic testbed with a known wind field, we show that (i) with a realistic cross-correlation CMV estimate, an explicit advection graph does not beat a plain static or learned-adjacency spatiotemporal GNN; (ii) roughly half of the benefit available from a perfect CMV comes simply from providing an accurate motion vector as an input feature, not from graph structure; and (iii) advection helps only when the advective displacement over the forecast horizon, v*H, fits inside the sensor network. Motivated by (ii), we introduce a small self-supervised cloud-motion estimator -- a position-aware encoder trained only on a multi-lag optical-flow reconstruction objective with an annealed kernel -- that recovers the true wind vector to 2-4 degrees median angular error, 2-4x better than the classical cross-correlation method across every wind regime. Freezing this estimator and feeding its vector to the forecaster closes about 60% of the oracle-CMV RMSE gap at moderate wind (8-15% RMSE reduction over no advection), with no external wind data. We also report a negative result for a spatially-coherent probabilistic head. All claims are established on a single synthetic simulator; we discuss why real-network validation is the necessary next step and outline it. Subjects: Machine Learning (cs.LG); Artificial Intelligence (cs.AI) Cite as: arXiv:2609.30286 [cs.LG] (or arXiv:2609.30286v1 [cs.LG] for this version) https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2609.30286 arXiv-issued DOI via DataCite Submission history From: Phillip Jiang [view email] [v1] Tue, 8 Sep 2026 00:27:33 UTC (36 KB) Full-text links: Access Paper: View a PDF of the paper titled When Does Advection-Aware Graph Nowcasting Help? A Controlled Study of Distributed Solar Ramp Forecasting with a Self-Supervised Cloud-Motion Estimator, by Phillip Jiang View PDF HTML (experimental) TeX Source view license Current browse context: cs.LG new | recent | 2026-09 Change to browse by: cs cs.AI References & Citations NASA ADS Google Scholar Semantic Scholar Loading... Data provided by: Bibliographic Tools Bibliographic and Citation Tools Bibliographic Explorer Toggle Bibliographic Explorer (What is the Explorer?) Connected Papers Toggle Connected Papers (What is Connected Papers?) Litmaps Toggle Litmaps (What is Litmaps?) scite.ai Toggle scite Smart Citations (What are Smart Citations?) Code, Data, Media Code, Data and Media Associated with this Article alphaXiv Toggle alphaXiv (What is alphaXiv?) Links to Code Toggle CatalyzeX Code Finder for Papers (What is CatalyzeX?) DagsHub Toggle DagsHub (What is DagsHub?) GotitPub Toggle Gotit.pub (What is GotitPub?) Huggingface Toggle Hugging Face (What is Huggingface?) ScienceCast Toggle ScienceCast (What is ScienceCast?) Demos Demos Replicate Toggle Replicate (What is Replicate?) Spaces Toggle Hugging Face Spaces (What is Spaces?) Spaces Toggle TXYZ.AI (What is TXYZ.AI?) Related Papers Recommenders and Search Tools Link to Influence Flower Influence Flower (What are Influence Flowers?) Core recommender toggle CORE Recommender (What is CORE?) IArxiv recommender toggle IArxiv Recommender (What is IArxiv?) Author Venue Institution Topic About arXivLabs arXivLabs: experimental projects with community collaborators arXivLabs is a framework that allows collaborators to develop and share new arXiv features directly on our website. Both individuals and organizations that work with arXivLabs have embraced and accepted our values of openness, community, excellence, and user data privacy. arXiv is committed to these values and only works with partners that adhere to them. Have an idea for a project that will add value for arXiv's community? Learn more about arXivLabs. Which authors of this paper are endorsers? | Disable MathJax (What is MathJax?)